Attack of the Giant Page 425
Many of you have gotten this email.
B-note: This is a partial quote from the email. He cites several dozen more, but these are the “horrifying, shocker” lines referred to and originally printed by the author in red.
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I URGE YOU TO READ THIS ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND IF YOU DON’T LIKE WHAT IS THERE TO PLEASE CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND SENATORS TO OBJECT BECAUSE IF WE DON’T OBJECT THIS WILL BECOME THE LAW.
Subject: If you don’t want to even think about this, but surely you must oppose i…
If you have been in favor of any of the healthcare plan, you better think again. It will be tyranny for us. Let your congressman and senator know how you feel.
All of this is more than HORRIFYING, but for the biggest shocker look at page 425.
Peter Fleckstein has looked at Obama’s Healthcare Bill and if his comments are accurate this bill would be the most encompassing act of tyranny ever in the history of these United States. Here is what he says the bill says:
At the end of his comments there is a link to the actual bill itself so that you may check the accuracy of his comments.
PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consultation. Euthanasia and Doctor-Assisted Suicide.
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct consult regarding living wills, and assume power of attorney of all enrollees. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death decisions to end your life.
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program to mandatory end of life programs. The Govt will mandate how your life ends.
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “advance care planning consultant” will be used frequently as a patient’s health deteriorates
PG 429 Lines 10-12 “advance care consultation” may include an ORDER to initiate end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV to terminate a life.
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life
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Oh my God!!!!!
Government mandated suicide!!!
Just like that Star Trek episode with the guy from MASH committing suicide at age 60 by law. How horrific!!!!!!
I don’t want anyone to think I’m for bill HR 3200 in any way. It’s garbage for 32,000 reasons including the euthanasia scare.
But not the way you think.
We’ve all gotten the horror email about killing old people. It says the bill mandates this outright in black and white.
The concern is real, though the bill doesn’t say that.
HR 3200 doesn’t give the government the powers of euthanasia that the emails describe.
It does guarantee the medical community, especially insurers like Blue Cross, that they can charge Uncle Sam once every 5 years for a “consultation” for every patient that qualifies for Medicare. More often than that if there’s a change in the person’s health.
These provisions are supposed to be about making sure people plan ahead for future care and have their wishes honored. The section lays out all the reasons you might need it: long-term care, life-sustaining care, decisions to be made if you can’t, and, yes, hospice.
No government agent is supposed to sit in on this consultation. You and your doctor, nurse, or – here’s the dangerous part – your proxy. Which can be your provider’s medical administrator.
According to the bill, this is a choice for the patient that the government must pay for. To insurers, doctors and health care providers, it’s a goldmine of guaranteed fees from the US coffers with no treatment or service expense. All providers will make this consultation mandatory by policy so they won’t miss out on any cash. Then, doctors will start telling all their patients of age, but not covered, that it’s mandatory but free, and everybody will get in on it.
Then, the providers and certain doctors will use the consultations as an excuse to suggest or deny treatments, minimize expenses, or, yes, convince folks to give up and let their illness win to maximize profit.
Facilities and providers under the current system can’t wait to bury patients who are terminal and no longer generating income through treatments and procedures.
They practically killed my dad with horrendous care and practices after botching his surgery. He couldn’t die soon enough. The nursing home doped him up and gave him pneumonia. Then the ER was going to deny him the antibiotics because he was going to die anyway. I almost hit the doctor. I demanded my dad get them, and he was eating a steak the next day. We set him up to do home hospice with me and my brothers. He left this world at his time, in his own home, watching his TV.
This bill will empower providers to lie about the law at will, applying it as they see fit to maximize their cash flow from the government. Every healthy person over 65 would be encouraged to test for some possible ailment at every consultation. Anyone with a problem would find themselves taking numerous tests, procedures, and drugs unrelated to the illness. God forbid you be terminally ill. They’ll send you down the hospice chute faster than you can wink. On life support? Not anymore. Cutting costs mean cutting your life.
So, yes, these fears are justified, but not because the government is going to suddenly become fascist, commie Nazis.
It’s because our medical providers will instantly abuse it completely and leave us worse off no matter what it says.
My brother pointed out to me that Nazi Germany had similar legislation, that had a distinction, read between the lines, that allowed for the elimination of “useless eaters” – euthanasia of those too old or infirm to contribute to society. Although the law didn’t say that, it could be interpreted by the Nazis intentionally to use it this way without the public’s awareness, most believing the law was fair.
This is exactly like that. The pages just say a Medicare patient can have this every 5 years or more often if their health changes.
Providers will say it’s mandatory. Even though they don’t provide that consultation at all now unless it’s demanded by the patient’s advocates and approved by the provider, however useful it might be.
A counseling session like this may have allowed me to get my dad into home hospice much earlier. Even to have planned for it when his cancer metastasized. We only got him home after 3 near-death experiences exposing horrendous negligence. And begrudgingly. They fought us over it until we exhausted them. This is with full BlueCross/BlueShield and supplemental up the wazoo. They couldn’t wait to put him in a black gurney.
Imagine what they’ll do when they can charge the government full rate, say it’s mandatory, and dictate patient care from then on.
The bill doesn’t say that, but we’re already being told it does just to hide the fact that it’s already status quo.
They want more. This is a license to print money from Medicare patients and discard them when they don’t bring a profit.
The whole thing is written like this – vague, technical, and ripe for abuse by the current system.
I hate this bill, but I also hate to see all this larceny continue unabated because of some semantic sleight of hand.
The providers need to change to accommodate the market. No government-anything past fixing Medicare for now.
This bill will make everything worse.
Even worse yet, no bill will be any good until we start using the actual language against them instead of taking interpretations as fact.
This is the info I wish was going around the internet. The bill can’t be trusted because it gives free reign to all the morons and profiteers already ruining our system for most folks.
Obama is not out to kill our elderly, he just doesn’t know the medical insurance industry already is.
I hope you’ll pass this on. I hate to see this bill go through because this “euthanasia” point is too easy to dismiss.
It’s already happening now, and it will grow unchecked if this bill is passed.
Please send the real page 425 to everyone and your congress-morons.
Now, those actual pages from the house bill, accessed via the link in the email (you actually have to start at page 424 to get the entire section):
[pg. 424]
HR 3200 IH
§1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
(a) MEDICARE.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—
(A) in subsection (s)(2)—
(i) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end of subparagraph (DD);
(ii) by adding ‘‘and’’ at the end of subparagraph (EE); and
(iii) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:
‘‘(FF) advance care planning consultation (as defined in subsection (hhh)(1));’’; and (B) by adding at the end the following new subsection:
‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation
‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has
[pg. 425]
not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:
‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.
‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.
‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.
[pg. 426]
‘‘(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include—
‘‘(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual’s family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes;
‘‘(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and
‘‘(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is unable to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decisionmaker (also known as a healthcare proxy).
‘‘(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement for explanations under clause (i) to consultations furnished in a State—
[pg. 427]
‘‘(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical orders respected across all care settings; and
‘‘(II) that has in effect a program for orders for life sustaining treatment described in clause (iii).
‘‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause is a program that—
‘‘(I) ensures such orders are standardized and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
‘‘(II) distributes or makes accessible such orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law) may sign orders for life sustaining treatment;
‘‘(III) provides training for health care professionals across the continuum of care about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment; and
‘‘(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake holders includes representatives from emergency medical services, emergency department physicians or nurses, state long-term care associa-
[pg. 428]
tion, state medical association, state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association.
‘‘(2) A practitioner described in this paragraph is—
‘‘(A) a physician (as defined in subsection
(r)(1)); and
‘‘(B) a nurse practitioner or physician’s assistant who has the authority under State law to sign
orders for life sustaining treatments.
‘‘(3)(A) An initial preventive physical examination under subsection (WW), including any related discussion
during such examination, shall not be considered an advance care planning consultation for purposes of applying
the 5-year limitation under paragraph (1).
‘‘(B) An advance care planning consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently
than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.
[pg. 429]
‘‘(4) A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining
treatment or a similar order.
‘‘(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to the treatment of that individual that—
‘‘(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care
professional (as specified by the Secretary and who is acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law in signing such an order, in cluding a nurse practitioner or physician assistant) and is in a form that permits it to stay with the individual and be followed by health care professionals and providers across the continuum of care;
‘‘(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual;
‘‘(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized within a given locality, region, or State (as identified by the Secretary); and
[pg. 430]
‘‘(iv) may incorporate any advance directive (as defined in section 1866(f)(3)) if executed by the individual.
‘‘(B) The level of treatment indicated under subparagraph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treatment to an indication to limit some or all or specified interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may include indications respecting, among other items—
‘‘(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac or pulmonary problems;
‘‘(ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer to a hospital or remaining at the current care setting;
‘‘(iii) the use of antibiotics; and
‘‘(iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.’’.
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I simply did as the email suggested: I followed the link to verify his comments.
To make it even simpler, I chose to first investigate his “horrifying” mandates on pages 425-430.
As you’ve read, there is no way to confuse this section as “mandatory euthanasia at the government’s discretion”. It merely demands counseling and knowledge of all aspects of care and assistance available, spelling them out by application – critical care, long term care, life-sustaining, and hospice.
This kind of misquote is rampant on both sides. Read the bill yourself. Don’t take someone’s word for what’s in it. There’s surely plenty wrong and right in the same pages, and much to be discussed. This is, however, a blatant attempt to frighten people into
fearing any health care bill, outright. We aren’t living in Logan’s Run unless we allow this to continue.
But, as my brother wryly observed, “objects in mirror are closer than they appear”.
All this nonsense has to stop.
And we’re just the hairpins to do it.
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References:
Full text of HR 3200 IH on gpo.gov
Government Printing Office (GPO)
Related Media:
Star Trek: TNG episode “Half a Life” – Wikipedia entry
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